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Posted by Brent on February 16, 2010 #103930 Responding to David Ben-Ariel. Again read from the work of a renowned geneticist Almut Nebel; from the work of Nebel et al. 2001; Quote- Jews were found to be more closely related to groups in the north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turks, and Armenians) than to their Arab neighbors. end quote. These are the Arab neighbors are Levantines who have been Arabized over time. And look as to where the Khazar Jewish Empire was located, it is near modern Armenia in the Caucasuses. Also in NY Times it showed 52% of Ashkenazi Levites have mDNA from Central Asia around the Caucasus and old Khazar lands!

Posted by David Ben-Ariel on February 14, 2010 #103698 Google "Koestler, Khazars, Kaput" by Barry Chamish and let the truth set you free.

Posted by Brent on December 15, 2009 #97950 As for Paul, again you claim "Israelite" DNA, one huge problem there is NO "biblical DNA", heck most of the "Bible" has been proven to be fraud myths not "history" such as the alleged "kingdoms" and such. Also again; Quote- However, a follow-up study [Nebel et al. 2001] corrected that Jews were found to be more closely related to the peoples north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turkish "Turks" of Anatolia, and Armenians) than to the Arabic-speakers of Israel/Palestinian and other neighboring now Arabic-speaking Levantines.[101][102] ... The history of that land goes back farther then the alleged "Israelites" with all different types of people from Canaanites, to the other countless tribes.

Posted by Simchah on December 14, 2009 #97827 Genetic variants have been found amongst Ashkeanzic Levites. There is no reason to assume all Ashkenazic Jews have these markers. Why are people saying all Askenazic jews are descended from Khazars, when only this one sub group seems to possibly be?

Posted by Ron on December 12, 2009 #97695 The Khazars were typical caucasus people. They were not Eastern Europeans/Slavs or wholly Mongol/Central asian either. They were similar to Armenians genetically. In fact if you compare modern day chechens and dagestanis they also cluster near the Armenians, and Turks in the same way that the Ashkenazi khazars do, even more so than palestinians.

Posted by Paul on December 3, 2009 #96912 The Nebel research showed that a certain amount of non-Israelite genes entered the Jewish community. That has long been known. It does not change the fact Israelite genes are there. And it's well known that many (if not most) Arabs in Eretz Hakodesh are descended from converted Jews. Also, please do not accuse the Talmud of preaching hate of gentiles. Many take parts of it out of context to make that appear so, but it is not the case.

Posted by Brent on December 3, 2009 #96830 Take your Talmud thumping hate of the "goyim" elsewhere. Again; Quote- However, a follow-up study [Nebel et al. 2001] corrected that Jews were found to be more closely related to the peoples north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turkish "Turks" of Anatolia, and Armenians) than to the Arabic-speakers of Israel/Palestinian and other neighboring now Arabic-speaking Levantines.[101][102] ... Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinians,[13][14] together as the one same population, represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times", albeit religiously first Christianized then largely Islamized, and all eventually culturally Arabized.[13] Referring to those of the Muslim faith more specifically, it reaffirmed that Palestinian "Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan." Geneticist Michael Hammer praised "the study for 'focusing in detail on the Jewish and Palestinian populations.'"[13]

Posted by Paul on December 2, 2009 #96818 And people need to keep in mind that Jews lived in Europe since at least Roman times. Jews were in Germany from at least the 400's CE. That is actually where we find the origin of Ashkenazic Jewry

Posted by Paul on December 1, 2009 #96733 Oh, of course the Kohen Haplotype does not prove there was an Aaron or anything...it just shows clearly how many Ashkenazic Jews have genetic similarities to people who live in the Near East. The idea that all Ashkenazic Jews are converted Khazars is therefore proven false

Posted by Paul on December 1, 2009 #96732 The book Genetics and Tradition says that the mitochondrial DNA seems to have generally come from a local population in most Diaspora groups, even those not in Europe. However, just because your mom is a convert does not mean you are not born a member of Am Yisroel. Quite the contrary - King David himself was descended from a woman who converted! And comparing the DNA along certain Y Chromosomal lines, we see how closely Jews such as Kohanim resemble Arabs. The only real irregularities along Y Chromosomal lines in Jews seem to be in people with traditions of being Levites. This is, I believe, what that 2001 study you mention was referring to. Because Ashkenazim are more closely realted to other Jewish groups along most Y markers than they are Europeans. But even a convert from Japan, who just made his giur yesterday, is a full fledged member of Am Yisroel and has every right to settle in Eretz Yisroel...so it would not even matter if these claims that all Ashkenazim are purely descended from Khazars should be true (of course, these claims have been proven false, anyway)

Posted by Brent on November 27, 2009 #96258 What jokes "Paul"; from an "Israeli" genetic scientist: Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinians,[13][14] together as the one same population, represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times", albeit religiously first Christianized then largely Islamized, and all eventually culturally Arabized.[13] Referring to those of the Muslim faith more specifically, it reaffirmed that Palestinian "Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan." More refuting "Paul" on alleged "Jewish" (not even a race)- s upon which the research questions were formulated and the samples were selected. First, we do no have for sure any genetic material or DNA from the Biblical Israelites to compare and contrast with any existing genetic material or DNA from contemporary Jews. There is no proof that Michael Hammer؟s ؟cohanim markers؟ were those of Moses؟ brother, Aaron. Second, the Jews (like the Muslims and the Christians) were historically bound by religion (and are highly mixed), not by race or genes. Today the percentage of U.S. Jews under 35 who are married to non-Jews is 41 percent (Goodstein 2003). Third, so far genetic research on the Semitic claim tends to focus more on the non-recombining parts of the male Y-Chromosome rather than on the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA of the Jews, which has defined ؟Jewishness؟ since Talmudic times. Jewish law says you have to have an alleged "Jewish mother" to be considered "ethnically" Jewish (which is a misnomer to begin with as Judaism is a religion NOT a race!). Research shows us different "Jewish" women around the world do not have the same type of mitochondrial DNA (mDNA) which is only given to children from women. We read from a Jewish magazine- Hillel Halkin. "Jews and Their DNA." Commentary Magazine (September 2008). Excerpts: "Early studies of mitochondrial DNA reported that Jewish women, unlike Jewish men, did not correlate well with one another globally. Meaning there are NO "Jewish" people, and no relation between "Jewish" women around the world who according to Jewish law (i.e. Talmudic law, etc.) have to give birth to the "Jewish" children. Lastly, the dagger refuting the claims made by "Paul". Genetic scientists tell us; Quote- However, a follow-up study [Nebel et al. 2001] corrected that Jews were found to be more closely related to the peoples north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turkish "Turks" of Anatolia, and Armenians) than to the Arabic-speakers of Israel/Palestinian and other neighboring now Arabic-speaking Levantines.[101][102] 101- Nebel et al. 2001, The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East, Ann Hum Genet. 2001 Mar;70(2):195-206.[6] 102- Muir, Diana. "Genetics and the Jewish identity". Jpost.com. Levantines have true Palestinian DNA, unlike the Khazar "Jews" who are much more closely related to the Kurds, Turks, and Armenians north of the Fertile crescent region.

Posted by Paul on November 25, 2009 #96193 I also have to say the theory of Ashkenazim being descended from Khazars is ridiculous, as Jews were living in Europe for at least 1,000 years before the Khazarian conversions. Basically, studies show as follows: the main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrachim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite. The Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J and E. But that is not to say there has not been admixture, mind you, especially amongst the Ashkenazic Leviim who apparently may be descended from Khazars who decided to place themselves in positions they shouldn't have been. However, the strange genetic variants found amongst these Levites is not found along the Y Chromosomal lines of Ashkenazic Kohanim, who have the same genetic line as other Kohen groups (dating back 3,000 to the Near East)

Posted by Paul on November 25, 2009 #96192 There are many ancient Hebrew words in Yiddish...

Posted by Brent on November 20, 2009 #95595 More great info on these topics; Quote- Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinians,[13][14] together as the one same population, represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times", albeit religiously first Christianized then largely Islamized, and all eventually culturally Arabized.[13] Referring to those of the Muslim faith more specifically, it reaffirmed that Palestinian "Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan." Geneticist Michael Hammer praised "the study for 'focusing in detail on the Jewish and Palestinian populations.'"[13] 13. Gibbons, Ann (October 30, 2000). "Jews and Arabs Share Recent Ancestry". ScienceNOW. American Academy for the Advancement of Science. 14. a b Hammer, et al. Figure 2: Plot of populations based on Y-chromosome haplotype data.

Posted by Brent on September 21, 2009 #89554 While both the Palestinians and the world's distinct Jewish populations have mixed with invading and host populations respectively, Oppenheim's team found "that Jews have mixed more with other populations, which makes sense because they were more likely to leave the Levant.".[12] ... However, a follow-up study [Nebel et al. 2001] corrected that Jews were found to be more closely related to the peoples north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turkish "Turks" of Anatolia, and Armenians) than to the Arabic-speakers of Israel/Palestinian and other neighbouring now Arabic-speaking Levantines.[98][99] 98) Nebel et al. 2001, The Y Chromosome Pool of Jews as Part of the Genetic Landscape of the Middle East, Ann Hum Genet. 2001 Mar;70(2):195-206. 99) Muir, Diana. "Genetics and the Jewish identity". Jpost

Posted by Latin Lover on September 7, 2009 #88346 To BRITISH QUAKER:Read "Facts are facts". By Benjamin Freedman.

Posted by Latin Lover on September 7, 2009 #88345 To British Quaker:Before it became know as "Yiddish" language, the khazars added words from German, Slavonic, and the Baltic lan guages.The "Yiddish" language is not a German dialect.The khazars language adopted Hebrew characters.There is not one word of "yiddish" in ancient Hebrew-nor is there one word of ancient Hebrew in "yiddish". Source:Facts are facts" By Benjamin Freedman

Posted by Brent on August 20, 2009 #86831 Also in Jewish religious law we find that to be an alleged member of the "Jewish race" you had to have a Jewish mother: i.e. Jewish law says "Judaism" is matrilineal or completely "inherited" from the mother. We read from a Jewish magazine- Hillel Halkin. "Jews and Their DNA." Commentary Magazine (September 2008). Excerpts: "Early studies of mitochondrial DNA reported that Jewish women, unlike Jewish men, did not correlate well with one another globally. ... Jewish females from the same backgrounds, on the other hand, yield opposite results: their mitochondrial DNA has markedly less resemblance to that of Jewish women from elsewhere than it does to that of non-Jewish women in the countries their families hailed from. ... In the absence of rabbis to perform conversions, they [Jewish immigrants to new lands] married local women who, while consenting to live as Jews, were not halakhically Jewish.

Posted by Brent on August 20, 2009 #86828 Also the truth that the Palestinians are the descendants of the native, indigenous people of the land of Palestine was admitted by one of the great pre-state Zionist thinkers Ahad Haam. About him- Asher Zvi Hirsch Ginsberg (18 August 1856 - 2 January 1927), primarily known by his Hebrew name and pen name, Ahad Ha'am, (Hebrew: אחד העם‎, lit. one of the people, Genesis 26:10), was a Hebrew essayist, and one of the foremost pre-state Zionist thinkers. With his secular vision of a Jewish "spiritual center" in Palestine he confronted Theodor Herzl. Unlike Herzl, the founder of political Zionism, Ha'am strived for "a Jewish state and not merely a state of Jews."[1] ... Ahad Ha'am also shared the belief that: "the Moslems [of Palestine] are the ancient residents of the land ... who became Christians on the rise of Christianity and became Moslems on the arrival of Islam."[79] David Ben-Gurion and Yitzhak Ben Zvi wrote in 1918 that Palestinian peasants and their mode of life were living historical testimonies to Israelite practices in the biblical period.[80]

Posted by Brent on August 20, 2009 #86827 More good scholarly quotes- However, a follow-up study [Nebel et al. 2001] corrected that Jews were found to be more closely related to the peoples north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turkish "Turks" of Anatolia, and Armenians) than to the Arabic-speakers of Israel/Palestinian and other neighbouring now Arabic-speaking Levantines.[96][97] The same study then re-asserted the suggestion that Palestinians and Bedouins from the Levant represent "early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area" albeit with "additional lineages from more-recent population movements", largely from the Arabian Peninsula. ... Following the Muslim conquest of Syria by Arabians, the formerly-introduced dominant languages of the area, Aramaic and Greek, were then replaced by the Arabic language introduced by the new conquering administrative minority.[101] Among the cultural survivals from pre-Islamic times are the significant Palestinian Christian community, and smaller Jewish and Samaritan ones, as well as an Aramaic and possibly Hebrew sub-stratum in the local Palestinian Arabic dialect.[102]

Posted by Brent on August 20, 2009 #86826 Here are some good scholarly things refuting Zionists about DNA and genetics all with sources- Results of a DNA study by geneticist Ariella Oppenheim appears to match historical accounts that Arab Israelis and Palestinians,[12][95] together as the one same population, represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times", albeit religiously first Christianized then largely Islamized, and all eventually culturally Arabized.[12] ... While both the Palestinians and the world's distinct Jewish populations have mixed with invading and host populations respectively, Oppenheim's team found "that Jews have mixed more with other populations, which makes sense because they were more likely to leave the Levant.".[12]

Posted by Brent on April 19, 2009 #74464 European Ashkenazis maternally inherited mDNA shows there is no "Jewish people"; especially among White Khazar Ashkenazis! The only claims made by Zionist propagandist "researchers" are done by looking at the alleged "non-recombing part" of the male Y-Chromosome. Which overlooks the fact that in Jewish law "Jewishness" is inherited from the mother only! Meaning what is important to study is the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (aka mDNA). After studying this it shows that Ashkenazis have a "local origin" meaning local to EUROPE and Central Asia (i.e. Khazars). Judaism is a religion and not a race, anyway.

Posted by British Quaker on March 4, 2009 #69532 Long ago I read Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe and was fascinated by it, but questions about language puzzled me. The Khazars were a Turkic people and spoke a Turkic language. If modern Ashkenazi Jews are descended from them, how did they end up speaking Yiddish [Juedisch] which is essentially a dialect of German with borrowings from other languages (notably Hebrew) and with Hebrew script. Yiddish appears to have been the language of Jewish communities from Germany eastward, deep into Russia. I can understand that these people might, if they had been persecuted in western Europe (including England, France and Germany) carry their established tongue as they migrated eastward into Poland and Lithuania where they were at first encouraged by those governments. They might retain the Yiddish language, which they had presumably acquired while living in Germany, but why had they not earlier carried the Khazarian Turkish tongue westward? Can anyone throw any light on this?

Posted by Anonymous American on January 16, 2009 #64044 The history of the Khazars is important, and the fact that most (all?) Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the Khazars is even more important, because a great deal of support for the modern nation-state of Israel comes from Protestant Christians in America. There is a great deal of Dispensational theology running throughout American Protestantism. The Dispensationalists misinterpret Genesis 12:1-2, thinking it applies to the modern nation-state of Israel, rather than to Christ. Therefore, they support Israel no matter how much evil Israel commits. If the truth about the Khazaric nature of the Ashkenazi Jews were to become wide-spread knowledge amongst American Protestants -- even if they were to continue to hold to their Dispensationalist theological errors -- they might recognize the evil the Jews are committing and oppose it. In such a case, they would recognize that the Zionists are not descendants of Abraham, and are therefore not covered by the promise in Genesis 12:1-2. If only the Dispensational Protestants knew their Bible better, this wouldn't matter. After all, "not all who are descended from Israel are Israel"!! (Romans 9:6) The Bible is very clear that it doesn't matter whether you are a Jew or a Gentile. God is gathering to Himself a People from every nation on the earth. But given that the Dispensationalists do not know their Bibles very well (at least, they do not know the verse in Romans cited above), it may help to point out to them that the murderous Zionists currently running the modern nation-state of Israel are in no way descendants of Abraham. Lord Have Mercy!!

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Posted by dubliner on March 11, 2008 #31364 As there is no such thing as "Jewish race" how can the Palestinians be expected to recognise Israel as a Jewish state? Maybe an Ashkenazi state?

Posted by Brent on October 28, 2007 #22493 Note on the Khazars and their links to today's Ashkenazi white European Jews. THE JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA: "Khazars, a NON- SEMITIC, ASIATIC, MONGOLIAN TRIBAL NATION who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of Yiddish-speaking Jews in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserabia and Rumania."

Posted by Brent on October 28, 2007 #22492 Today's Askhenazi white European Jews without any doubt have much of their genetic make-up from the Khazar Jewish converts. The Khazar king, Bulan, was the first to convert to Judaism. Later on after Bulan, another Khazar king named Obadiah soldified the complete Khazar kingdom's conversion to Judaism. This Khazar king Obadiah is famous for having led a major push to build synagogues, Jewish Talmudic law schools, and in general promote and impose the Jewish faith on the Khazar people. The Khazars mixed with other European and maybe some other genetics are Askhenazis.

Posted by Karem Alhams on October 6, 2007 #21316 I am not sure as to what this story about Khazars has to do with this site?

Posted by Brent on September 11, 2007 #20300 SBaram: I agree we must find a just solution. But can you tell me how it is just to refuse to allow Palestinian's living in refugee camps in Lebanon, Iraq, etc. whose families up until 1948 were living in Palestine. These people actually have parent's and grandparent's that lived and had heritage for thousands of years in Palestine. Somehow these people aren't allowed to return home to Palestine, but European Ashkenazi Jews with very little or no Semitic blood due to Jewish intermarriage in Gentile Europe for 2000+ yrs. and Khazar conversions, etc. to come to "Eretz Israel". And the hist. of David and Solomon is hotly debated the only proof of David the "biblical" character is from 1 inscription at the place called Tel Dan other than that all historical evidences goes against any massive Nile-to-Eurphates Hebrew Judaic Kingdom!

Posted by SBaram on September 5, 2007 #19963 What does the story of the Khazars have to do with Palestine? #2: How do you know that the Khazar military was Muslim? What relevence is it in the Palestinian plight? #3: The Caliphate lost its attempt to rule the Khazar Empire, so what? Later, Khazaria succumbed to more powerful Byzantium and the Rus, So what? More important - Palestine Remembered lists hundreds of Palestinian villages usurped by the Israelis. No attempt has been made to show which villages were Palestinian, and which villages were inhabited by foreigners, like Circassians, Serbs, Iraqis or Turks. Separation of ethnic groups is not important when seeking a just solution. But to validate claims, if claimants migrated to and from Palestine, many ancient claims on the land may be overruled. Let us seek justice, not victory based on stories of Khazar Jews, night flights to Haram al-Sharif, or denial of Davidic history.

Posted by brad gorm on July 5, 2007 #17729 2 things to stress: 1) Khazaria was the FIRST independent state in the territory of Russia. 2) The army and most of the generals of Khazaria were overwhelmingly Muslim. There is no reference that the Muslim military of civilians were ever disloyal to the Khazar Jewish regime. 3) After a few early attempts at conquest, the Caliphate lived at peace with Khazaria for Khazaria's final centuries. The Byzantines and Russ, both Christian, invaded and destroyed the Khazar state.